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※ [本文轉錄自 Gossiping 看板 #1NOaK22G ] 作者: FlutteRage (我沒看第三季之後的啦) 看板: Gossiping 標題: [新聞] 美國徵兵登記,女性現在必須要登記 時間: Thu Jun 16 14:19:33 2016 1.媒體來源: 紐約時報 2.完整新聞標題: Senate Votes to Require Women to Register for the Draft 3.完整新聞內文: 國會通過女性18會時須登記在戰時會被徵招當兵。 上一次真正徵招時是越戰那次。 1月2018之後,18歲女性必須登記徵兵,要不然會有一些社會福利不能擁有。 1981美國大法官說女性不須徵兵,不過在隨著五角大廈開始開放女性參與戰鬥工作後, 國會決定該開放徵兵了。 馬侃(之前有選總統)表示贊成,克魯茲(輸給川普的廢物)反對。 基本上民主共和兩黨都贊成,但是共和黨內最保守的一派是反對的。 似乎還有一些程序要走,白宮方面跟國會方面還有機會對此法案討論的樣子。 WASHINGTON — In the latest and perhaps decisive battle over the role of women in the military, Congress is embroiled in an increasingly intense debate over whether they should have to register for the draft when they turn 18. On Tuesday, the Senate approved an expansive military policy bill that would for the first time require young women to register for the draft. The shift, while fiercely opposed by some conservative lawmakers and interest groups, had surprisingly broad support among Republican leaders and women in both parties. The United States has not used the draft since 1973 during the Vietnam War. But the impact of such a shift, reflecting the evolving role of women in the armed services, would likely be profound. Under the Senate bill passed on Tuesday, women turning 18 on or after Jan. 1, 2018, would be forced to register for Selective Service, as men must do now. Failure to register could result in the loss of various forms of federal aid, including Pell grants, a penalty that men already face. Because the policy would not apply to women who turned 18 before 2018, it would not affect current aid arrangements. “The fact is,” said Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, “every single leader in this country, both men and women, members of the military leadership, believe that it’s fair since we opened up all aspects of the military to women that they would also be registering for Selective Services.” The Supreme Court ruled in 1981 that women did not have to register for the draft, noting that they should not face the same requirements as men because they did not participate on the front lines of combat. But since Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said in December that the Pentagon would open all combat jobs to women, military officials have told Congress that women should also sign up for the draft. “It’s my personal view,” Gen. Robert B. Neller, the commandant of the Marine Corps, told the Senate Armed Services Committee in February, that with the complete lifting of the ban on women in combat roles, “every American who ’s physically qualified should register for the draft.” While most Republican senators — including Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, and the women on the Armed Services Committee — agree with the move, it has come under fierce attack from some of Congress’s most conservative members. “The idea that we should forcibly conscript young girls in combat to my mind makes little sense at all,” Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas and the father of two young daughters, said on the Senate floor last week. After voting against the bill on Tuesday, Mr. Cruz said in a prepared statement: “I could not in good conscience vote to draft our daughters into the military, sending them off to war and forcing them into combat.” The debate will now pit the Senate against the House, where the policy change has support but was not included in that chamber’s version of the bill. In April, Representative Duncan Hunter, Republican of California, offered a provision related to women and the draft for the House version of the defense policy bill to highlight the issue, even though he opposes the idea — then voted against his own amendment. It passed with bipartisan support but was stripped from the final bill in a procedural move. “If he didn’t do this in the committee and spur the national debate, who was going to do it?” Joe Kasper, Mr. Hunter’s chief of staff, said. “So, mission accomplished.” Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, made a mild attempt to strip the language from the Senate bill on the floor after the Armed Services Committee overwhelmingly rejected a similar effort, but his amendment never received a vote. The two bills will now be reconciled in a conference committee between the House and the Senate, where a contentious debate is expected. “It may well be a topic of great controversy,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, who serves on the Armed Services Committee. “But it should not be.” Military experts say that even if the efforts to compel women to enlist fails in Congress, the issue is not going away. “I think the change is inevitable,” said Nora Bensahel, a military policy analyst at American University’s School of International Service, “whether in this debate or through the courts. It just seems that now that you have women allowed to serve in any position in the military, there is no logical basis to say women should not be drafted.” Conservative groups, which threatened to target senators who voted for the policy bill, reacted with anger on Tuesday to the bill’s passage. “Allowing our daughters to be forced into combat if there is a draft is a clear example of Washington placing more value on liberal social engineering than military objectives and preparedness,” one such group, Heritage Action for America, said in a news release. But supporters of the policy change say opponents are oversimplifying the issue. “What people don’t seem to understand is just because there is conscription, that does not mean that all women would serve in the infantry,” Senator Deb Fischer, Republican of Nebraska, said. “There are many ways to serve our country in the event of a national emergency.” The Senate is expected to hold its ground as conservative members defend the status quo. Mr. McCain, whose family has a long and storied history in the military and whose daughter-in-law is a captain in the Air Force Reserve, said to Mr. Cruz on the Senate floor: “I respect the senator from Texas’s view. Too bad that view is not shared by our military leadership, the ones who have had the experience in combat with women.” 4.完整新聞連結 (或短網址): http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/congress-women-military-draft.h tml http://goo.gl/KM6dwd 5.備註: 人家女森呢~ 不過還好啦,現在流行的第三波女性主義者大概又要喊壓迫、父權、哭哭呦。 不過我想之前真正為了投票權、工作權等等抗議的女權者是感到欣慰。 -- We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. 看看人家美國怎麼做 我們這麼喜歡跟美國學習對不對 應該也要像他們一樣對不對 不登記就不能想有某些福利嗎對不對 這是個男女平權的時代嘛 總是要合理一點的嘛 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: shintrain (1.174.31.37), 06/16/2016 16:22:35 ※ 編輯: shintrain (1.174.31.37), 06/16/2016 16:24:03

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記得刪推文雖然精彩的是...
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轉這幹嘛?先解決國軍內不歧視女性男女不平等的問題再來談
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是版規有改了還是怎樣 怎麼連三篇都像沒看版規似的(抓頭
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國軍內部
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況且在台灣當兵是當KMT的黨軍 建台灣軍再來談女性當兵
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話說美國軍前兩三年 才解禁 同性戀不得當兵 的惡規
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但目前還沒有處理 變性人/性別認知 的狀況 (也就是被
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發現會強迫要求退伍 不可以繼續當 但他們明明是自願從
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軍 卻因為性別認同問題被棄 其實也還是滿可憐的
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開戰
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某人言論笑死我了 你以為男生自願去當兵的喔
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我們要懷孕 你們要嗎?
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現在有多少女生不生 生育率如此低迷 還拿這個坦喔
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雖然不是自願,但也當了。你呢?在這裡笑嗎?
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有夠無聊的 什麼時候才能有新梗 來來去去同樣那幾句
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要懷孕不就好棒棒 最好每個女的都有打算要生 假如是自己
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放蕩愛玩就別怪別人啦
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妳可以不要懷孕,男的可以不要當嗎
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所以可以把懷孕變義務嗎
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先去懷孕再來叫我們當兵!才當一年而已 我們懷孕比當兵
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十年還辛苦
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現在男生剩4個月 請問有什麼差?這邊沒人在問男生阿
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明明討論女性當兵 怎麼一堆男性當兵出來講話
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ㄏㄏ 4個月沒差 你怎麼不去
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女生可以爽墮就墮 男生請問可以不當就不當嗎?
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會被當逃兵ㄅㄧㄤˋㄅㄧㄤˋ哦
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誰開始的我就不說了
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支持女生義務役 破除大法官歧視言論
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叭叭 女性有經痛可以請假 男性也想要有莖痛可以請
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覺得懷孕很輕鬆的是老木都死了又沒老婆所以不知道嗎
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如果當4個月兵可以讓我免包98個月衛生棉我還挺願意的
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register for draft跟台灣的徵兵不一樣吧
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… 何況標題跟內文不符,內文擺明還沒定
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案啊
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ㄈㄓ不要那麼容易被釣好不好....ETTom文章才笑完
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以為經痛請假很爽嗎 只能一直冒冷汗痛昏在床上欸
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女性要懷孕、照顧小孩,比當兵還累
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要照顧2歲以下的小娃娃,有時候睡都睡不好
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現在社會給女性的壓力太大了 生產 家事 教育 現在又當兵
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還有 53 則推文
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真正追求性別平等的美國
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與反觀台灣某些新時代女性
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很難懂嗎 拍拍
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夜裡哭哭嘍
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女權自助餐 那可能跟你嘴這個 洗洗睡吧
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我覺得以現在的戰爭方式女兵是可以考慮的啦,但是要通
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原來是八卦流的對空汪汪叫式反觀啊 努力點唷
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過這條法案,同時也要解決女兵被性騷擾甚至強暴的問題
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這個問題好幾個國家都提出,但都沒有很好的解決辦法,
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又是必須要面對的
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原來是_版式的夜裡哭哭無邏輯論述
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受教了
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乖孩子
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拜託不要 徵女兵只會搞死其他男性小兵而已
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一堆X豬,真的是豬到分不清“義務”的意思,還瞎扯懷孕,
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可憐
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懷孕?我以為這裡的都不是生產機器 單身一個人也過的好
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講懷孕真的很好笑,你懷孕是大家逼妳的嗎?何況這裡都
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是獨立自主新女性誰要懷孕?另外你懷孕幾乎都是呵護倍
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至,當兵除了整天被狗幹清不完的油水分離槽,還得承擔
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高機率兵變,精神肉體都是考驗,你確定懷孕能類比?
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某樓怎麼不順便幫男友修圖
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這政策 在台灣要實行難度很高的 台灣有台灣的玩法
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懷孕,你不生沒人逼你生啊 ,有什麼好吵的,一個人也
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很好不是嗎?還帶小孩做家事都拿出來講了,現代女性不
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都說教育跟家事都是夫妻共同責任了?怎麽又有女人要把
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那些責任都算在自己身上?
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轉來這幹嘛,是只有女生能決定國家徵兵政策嗎?
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我建議開放公投交給全民決定,也省得某些人狂打嘴砲nonstop
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到這時候又在扯懷孕月經了
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這篇推文真的奇文共賞 一堆有骨氣的性平主義女性被你
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們這些白癡扯後腿
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我相信有些是男肥宅載反串就是了 但有些看不出來
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講懷孕的那三個(b、l、c)都是男的
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噓原po調侃經假,至於懷孕就不是每個女的都會好嗎,那
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是不是超過40歲沒有懷孕的要補當
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b5023556是男的喔 拜託不要再來反串引戰了 這樣到底有什
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麼好處?
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女生要懷孕男生是需要喔 白癡政策
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女生要懷孕生小孩耶
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